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it is wednesday, october 5th. mike pence versus tim kaine in their first and only face-off. and it was a fiery vice presidential debate where nothing was left unsaid. >> good morning to you. you're watching an early edition of "fox & friends first" on this wednesday morning. nice to have you back with us. >> good to be back. >> and everyone at home as well. >> thank you for starting your day with us. it is an early one on the east coast. both mike pence and tim kaine pushing policies and playing defen defense. >> we trust hillary clinton as commander in chief but the thought of donald trump as
commander in chief scares us to death. >> donald trump is committed to restoring the borders of the nation. >> on the economy, there is a fundamental choice for the electorate. do you want a you're hired president in hillary clinton or you're fired president in donald trump? i don't think that's such a hard choice. >> under the past administration that hillary clinton was apart, we almost doubled the national debt. hillary clinton and tim kaine want to build on obama care. i come from a state that works. i finished my term with $2 billion in the bank. that's a little different than when senator kaine was governor here in virginia. >> to beat terrorism, there is one person that can do it. that's hillary clinton. she worked a tough negotiation with nations around the world to eliminate the iranian nuclear weapons program without firing a shot. >> america is less safe today
than it was the day that barack obama became president of the united states. absolutely inarguable. it is a combination of factors, but mostly leadership. >> we believe in comprehensive immigration reform. donald trump believes in deportation nation. you got to pick your choice. >> hillary clinton and tim kaine want to continue the policies of open borders, amnesty, catch and release, sanctuary cities, all the things that are driving -- that are driving wages down in this country. donald trump has a plan that he laid out in arizona. that will deal systematically with illegal immigration, beginning with border security. >> donald trump always puts himself first. i can't imagine how governor pence can defend the insult driven, selfish me first style of donald trump.
>> donald trump said all the things you said he said in the way you said he said them, he wouldn't have a fraction of the insults that hillary clinton leveled when she said that half of our supporters were a basket of deplorables. she said they were irredeemable. they were not american. >> back and forth, and here to grade the vp candidates, democratic strategist chuck rocha and the managing editor of "the washington free beacon ," aaron mcclain. thank you for joining us this morning. >> good morning. >> so now we're done. the first and only debate between the two. let's begin with foreign policy. and, aaron, i'll begin with you, but let's listen to this. what the two had to say on that. >> donald trump and i are committed to suspending the syrian refugee program and programs and immigration from areas of the world that have been compromised by terrorism.
>> we got to keep taking out their leaders on the battlefield. we got to disrupt financing, disrupt their ability to recruit on the internet, in their safe havens. >> aaron, what do you think? who won that? how would you grade them? >> i think this round goes to mike pence. tim kaine had a huge challenge on foreign policy, which is that if you look at it, the world now, things are not going very well. he also had the difficult challenge in that he can't really separate hillary out from obama's actions, even though in some ways it would be fair for him to do so because hillary was a slightly more hawkish voice inside the administration on certain issues. but he can't afford to create that space between them right now. he's stuck with whatever obama has done. i think pence did anjob in presa case for strong american leadership in contrast to the eight years of obama, which kaine is stuck with promoting. >> the bottom line, chuck, is america less safe as pence said repeatedly or, you know, some of
the benefits of clinton during her time as secretary of state, they pointed to the iranian nuclear weapons program. tim kept talking about that. what is your grade? >> well, i think that on appearance, pence did probably a better job. kaine came across as that stereotypical vp debate attack dog. does that play, does it not play? i think we'll find that out. at the end of the day, i don't think the overall debate will have a huge effect on polling. but it was calm, conservatism, he was good on camera and he delivered his points right. kaine had some great zingers and came in, but he was interrupting a lot. but at the end of the day, neither one of them did not need to mess up, i think it was an even playing field, i give pence a little bit of the lead just because of the appearance. >> some of the zingers seemed rehearsed, though. what about immigration? let's listen to what they had to say about that. >> hillary and i want a bipartisan reform that will put keeping families together as the
top -- >> need to remove criminal aliens, people that overstayed their visas and then deal with those that remain. >> your grade for both of them. >> i think they both have a b because they're both playing two different audiences. we talked about this yesterday on the undecided vote in the middle. let's take north carolina. in north carolina, over the last year, 60,000 new latinos registered to vote. will they turn out or were they motivated from what they see? there were two distinct different visions for immigration last night, both playing to their bases. whoever was listening and can capitalize that and get out into the field, either one that makes the biggest grades off of both sides. >> aaron, what do you think? >> well, you know, a lot of people said mike pence is an ininterpreter of donald trump. i he's more of a translator. he takes his more outlandish statements and makes them seem like conservative policy positions.
tim kaine on the other hand, i think he -- i'm not sure really what he's thinking when he and hillary get into the full embrace of the syrian refugee program. i suppose this appeals to some elements of their base. but when they suggest the only legitimate position you take, i don't think that plays well to critical elements of the electorate. >> pence was able to point to paris and also talk about germany. finally very quickly, this is what they had to say about the economy. >> state of indiana has balanced budgets. we cut taxes, we made record investments in education, and in infrastructure. that's a little bit different than when senator kaine was governor here in virginia. he actually -- he actually tried to raise taxes by $4 billion. >> i'm proud because her vision of stronger together, building an economy that works for all, not just those at the top, being safe in the world not only with a strong military. >> so very quickly, aaron, your grade on this?
>> i think mike pence had one of the strongest lines of the night when tim kaine was presenting a rosy vision of things and pence responded with, well, look, the people in scranton see it differently. i thought that was a killer line and it is true. the economic benefits of the last eight years are not evenly distributed and that's the core of the campaign. >> and kaine's line, you're hired or our fired. chuck, your grade? >> i think this would have gone either way. i think we have had a robust recovery, but the problem is the average working person hasn't really felt it. this is going to be a change electorate. kaine is in a tough position having to defend the obama economy. the average working person hasn't felt that recovery at home. that's a challenge for democrats at this point. >> in his state specifically. thank you, both, for joining us. we'll bring you back. don't go far. >> thank you. >> thanks. >> off the rails, tim kaine trampling all over mike pence last night, interrupting and insulting the indiana governor at every turn.
>> let me finish the sentence. >> $20,000 portrait of donald trump. >> ten cents on the dollar. >> you are donald trump's apprentice. let me talk about -- >> i think i'm still on my time. >> many are now asking, where in the world was the moderator? kristen fisher is live in washington with the reaction on this. good morning. >> abbie, i'm so sorry to interrupt. i can't help myself after watching last night's debate. tim kaine interrupted mike pence more than 70 times to the point where on several occasions as you heard, you could barely understand what the two candidates were saying. at that point it becomes the moderator's responsibility to try to rein it in. in this case, the moderator was elaine quijano from cbs news but she lost control at the beginning of the debate and never got it back. >> governor, senator kaine's two minutes, please. >> now we're even. >> i think i'm still on my time.
>> i -- isn't this a discussion? >> these are open to -- >> let's talk about this in -- >> gentlemen -- >> you can't -- >> gentlemen, the people at home cannot understand either one of you when you speak over each other. govern governor, i'll give you 30 seconds to respond because i know you want to but this question is about north korea. >> she was guilty of her own one sided interrupts. she tried to cut off pence and giving kaine free reign to interrupt as much as he liked. >> elaine quijano, the moderator from cbs, let this careen totally out of control. >> our brain room is still working on the final numbers, but so far the tally is at 77 interruptions for kaine, 58 for pence and most of pence's interruptions were in response to kaine. so, heather, for anyone who thought this debate was going to be boring, they were sorely mistaken. >> certainly was not.
three people at moments all talking over each other. >> quite frustrating. >> thank you, kristen. >> thanks. from policy plans to personal attacks, who made the best case for their running mate? send us your comments or send an e-mail. and we'll share them all morning long. >> want to hear from you. turning now to our other top story we're following very closely this morning, hurricane matthew. carving a path of destruction in the caribbean, cuba slammed overnight with 125-mile-an-hour winds and torrential rains. the united states now bracing for impact. south carolina governor nikki haley ordering more than 1 million people to evacuate. president obama even canceling today's trip to florida as states of emergency are declared across the southeast. >> as millions take cover on land, the u.s. navy is answering the call for help. three ships deploying it haiti.
one of the areas hit the hardest so far. really hard to know where this is going. >> you're absolutely right. we're going to have to watch each and every track from the national hurricane center and our brand-new track will come out a little bit before 5:00 a.m. and that's going to give us the coordinates on the storm, where they think we are going to have perhaps a landfall, maybe across florida or the carolinas, but right now what we do know is that this is a strong category 3 storm, 125-mile-per-hour sustained winds and about to make impact on the bahamas, perhaps as a strengthening storm again. let's look at the timeline. wednesday, and into thursday, coming very close to the east coast of florida. coming very close to georgia as well as the carolinas and we'll have to see what happens after that. there is some indication that the northeast might be out of the cone. but we'll have to wait and see. the tropical model that we look at when we make that cone of
uncertainty for you guys, this is what we're dealing with. category 3 storm, we think it is going to strengthen as it moves over the bahamas, too close for comfort across florida, as well as georgia and the carolinas. so all interests along the southeast coast need to be monitoring, their local officials, local weather forecast and we'll keep you posted. here is the gss model. through the bahamas, close to the florida coastline, does it make landfall, does it hug the coast, these are all questions i know everyone needs answers to and hopefully we'll have them today. but of course the bottom line, you need to listen to your local officials. if they tell you to evacuate, you need to do so. this is going to be a dangerous storm. the u.s. has not been hit with a category 3 or higher in ten years. i'm worried that people might be complacent. we'll keep you posted. >> i was talking to friends, i'm from the carolinas, and they were evacuating charleston and
quicksilver earns you unlimited 1.5% cash back on ev-e-ry purchase, ev-e-ry-where. i shouldn't have to ask. what's in your wallet? welcome back. last night, the vice presidential nominees clashing on everything from immigration to foreign policy. but did they get their facts straight? >> here to fact check the debate, alexis from the national re view. thank you for getting up early with us this morning. >> good morning. >> great to be here. >> let's begin with this. fact check this. this is kaine saying that clinton eliminated the iranian nuclear weapons program. listen. >> she worked a tough negotiation with nations around the world to eliminate the iranian nuclear weapons program without firing a shot. >> he brought this up repeatedly. true or false?
>> not quite true. the iran deal did not actually eliminate iran's nuclear program. it did -- it drew down their uranium stores, made significant cuts to it, but didn't eliminate it all together. it happened after clinton had already left her post as secretary of state. so i think what kaine was referring to was that she helped negotiate the sanctions, that pressured iran to come to the negotiating table for that agreement reached. but she technically wasn't still there when it actually came about. >> yeah. and not quite accurate. let's move on to this one. kaine says trump will deport 16 million people. let's listen to that. >> donald trump believes in deportation nation. they want to go house to house and kick out 16 million people. >> true or false there? >> true. he said this -- donald trump said this on multiple occasions, he wants to deport everybody, he doesn't necessarily give a plan, just says no, we're going to get
rid of them. kaine brings this up as coming in donald trump's phoenix speech in which he really focused on immigration and laid out a clear plan. and he didn't quite say that in that speech but said it multiple other times. >> we had a shot of trump saying that very thing. can we play that? >> anyone who has entered the united states illegally is subject to deportation. that is what it means to have laws and to have a country, otherwise we don't have a country. >> there you have it. he said it before and stayed pretty consistent on that. >> yes. >> that was just -- >> well, he had a brief detour, but -- >> brief, but, yeah. so finally, fact check this, this is where pence said that the clinton foundation accepted foreign donations while clinton was secretary of state. >> there is a reason why people question the trustworthiness of hillary clinton. the reality is, when she was secretary of state, senator, come on, she had a clinton foundation accepting
contributions from foreign governments. >> true or false? >> so it did -- the clinton foundation did take donations from foreign donors. the ap reported that she actually met with some of the people that donated money to her campaign which gave a perception of pay for play. the campaign pushed back and said these are people she would have met with anyway. but certainly donald trump would like to make this an issue. >> and giving them access and also we were just -- we saw bill clinton there, former president bill clinton and he was able to deliver a lot of speeches and get paid big money for that as well. >> absolutely. appreciate you being here. >> thank you. the time is 20 minutes after the hour. from the debate stage to the spin room. >> i hope that tim kaine was promised some kind of fabulous prize every time he vomited out the string of talking points and canned responses. >> the best moments behind the
welcome back. after an exciting night of trading attacks on policy, defending platforms and, of course, a few interruptions, the clinton and trump campaigns had plenty to say in the spin room. >> they did. peter ducy is live with behind the scenes highlights. did you even sleep last night? >> a little bit just a couple of who hours is all i need. the trump campaign thinks that the events that transpired pulled back the curtain on a major double standard and they're calling tim kaine out
now for the way that he presented himself. >> it was shocking, even to those who don't really care for him. i mean, tim kaine spent all this time interrupting and actually ignoring the moderator, female moderator i would like to remind the left who likes to throw around worlds like sexist and unhinged but mike pence kept it calm. >> and it was obvious from the way the republican national committee chairman was talking about the debate, the party leadership does not think they need to do any sort of damage control, they were basically taking a victory lap. >> he effectively prosecuted the case for donald trump and really laid out the case why hillary clinton has been a total train wreck and everything she's touched. the fact that he was able to do that tonight was great. and we're looking forward to a good few days. >> but the clinton campaign is now applauding tim kaine's aggressive style saying he was basically fact checking on the
fly and doing a good job of making pence uncomfortable. >> senator kaine won this debate in particular because he had to interject constantly. the one thing that mike pence stood up for donald trump on was the fact that he hasn't paid taxes for almost 20 years, that was the one thing he defended him on. >> so you heard it there, both sides, as we know, from the reporting in the days rupping up to the debate, both sides prepared for last night's event a certain way and both sides think they followed their set strategies very effectively. back to you in new york. >> both had such different temperaments last night. >> definitely. >> peter, thank you. >> thanks. the time is 26 minutes after the top of the hour. the vp nominees in their first and only face-off and no shortage of insults. >> you are donald trump's apprentice. >> i appreciate the your hired, you're fired thing.
you used that a lot. >> just trying to keep up the insult driven campaign on the other side of the -- >> so did we hear enough policy? or were they too busy playing defense? our political panel is on deck for a fair and balanced debate live from farmville, virginia. >> what do tim kaine and batman have in common? ask donald trump. the republican nominee not on stage, but still in the spotlight last night as live twitter storm during the vp debate is lighting up social media. >> earlier this evening you may have seen, though you probably didn't, the vice presidential debate between tim kaine and mike pence, two mild mannered and well groomed men selected by hillary clinton and donald trump to make you hate them less. and what a matchup it was. it was like watching a glass of whole milk do battle with a jar of low calorie mayonnaise.
good morning. it is wednesday, october 5th. the gloves are off. no shortage of fireworks in the only vice presidential debate as interruptions and insults rule the night. >> a wild night. good morning to you. you're watching "fox & friends," early edition of "fox & friends first" on this wednesday morning. >> thank you for starting your day with us. first governor mike pence and senator tim kaine trading blows over the insult driven campaigns taking aim at each other's running mate. >> it is two things. it is first dramatically expanding our intelligence capacities by hiring great professionals. the second piece of this is really important. it also stronger alliances. >> there is a reason why people question the trustworthiness of hillary clinton. >> if your son or my son handled
information -- >> you are donald trump's apprentice. >> this can be solved if donald trump would be willing to release his tax returns as he told the american public that he would do. >> i appreciate the you're hired, you're fired thing, senator, you used that a whole lot. and a lot of predone lines. >> donald trump can't start a twitter war with miss universe without shooting himself in the foot. >> just trying to keep up with the insult driven campaign on the other side. >> i'm just saying facts about your running mate. donald reagan said something really interesting about nuclear proliferation in the 1980s. he said the problem with nuclear proliferation is that some -- could trigger a catastrophic event and that's what i think governor pence's running mate is. >> he said nuclear war should never be fought because it could
never be won. >> i cannot believe that governor pence will defend the insult driven campaign that donald trump has run. >> ours is an insult driven campaign? she wailed one after another ism on millions of americans who believe we can have a stronger america at home and abroad. and question get this economy moving again who believe we can stop illegal immigration once and for all. >> a lot of insults last night. did we hear enough policy or were the vps too busy playing defense? here to weigh in, marcy stek and rob myer. good morning to both of you. thank you for getting up early for us. >> good morning. >> a lot of insults last night. one reporter this morning i think last count said tim kaine interrupted mike pence i think 77 times. did people hear enough policy last night? or just all interruptions? >> it was tough to hear over the interruptions. it was almost unfortunate that way. but i think this debate got as
policy oriented as you'll see for the rest of the campaign. it has been a race to the bottom so far in october. i think it is only going to be more so, so i think that both candidates try to get into policy a little bit. tim kaine was rolling out the insult lines that hillary clinton's overpaid consultants wrote for him. he was really sort of aggressive and rude. and pence talked about how the clinton/obama foreign policy led to isis' rise, i think he did a good job laying out the policy prescription on what to do about that. there is more policy in this debate than i think we'll see for the rest of the campaign. but there was not enough still. >> not enough still. it did seem like there was a lot of one liners, specifically from tim kaine's side, that he prepared well before this debate. >> well, look, i think that watching last night we saw that governor pence was on defense the entire time.
and tim kaine was on offense. you could see it in the tone and the tenor of the way they approached this debate. and there was only one ticket last night that we saw, that was the united front, tim kaine and hillary clinton. they are a united front on policy. the headlines today i'm seeing are about the number of ways in which governor pence and donald trump are -- just simply not on the same page. there were moments last night where governor pence seemed like he didn't even know who his running mate was. shocking to see that. >> what was your response, though, to tim kaine's temperament? there is a number of folks that said after the fact that he did seem to be a lot more aggressive, jumping in a lot, a lot less calm than, say, you know, his opponent there, mike pence was. what is your response to that? >> sure, i think that tim kaine had a lot of energy last night, he's aggressive, he's hungry, he wants to serve his country and that came across very clear last night in the tone and tenor he brought to the debate. these two on stage are
experienced legislators. they have been on stage before. this is not their first debate this is not their first rodeo. i think the way tim kaine approached this debate and attacks governor pence on his toes, he was clearly uncomfortable in many situations, wasn't able to answer for donald trump's tax returns, he wasn't able to have a clear answer, didn't even touch the idea that his running mate just last week called a woman fat. these are the types of things that insummits that i think the american people deserve answers for. >> was mike pence on his toes a lot? it seemed like he was very calm and composed and that's what a lot of people were saying after. >> when we talked yesterday it was, you know, request he actually pivot away from the attacks and make a positive case and he did it. he had an uphill climb and he did it. textbook example of making sure you answer the question shortly and get into what you want to talk about. both the moderator and tim kaine
were trying to throw him off message and he got a positive message out there. he got a case on why his ticket should be in office. and what was tim kaine doing, just taking personal shots. have to remember, the clinton/kaine ticket is marketing themselves as the adults in the room. if you're the adult in the room, you won't interrupt 77 times and act like a snide little child. >> we're going to have to leave it there, thank you for being with us this morning. i think we can all agree there were more insults than anyone wanted last night. >> interesting to hear the spin the next day. >> it is. even at 4:37 in the morning. >> exactly. >> we asked which candidate you thought made the best case for their ticket. here are some of your responses. tom tweets, i think pence made the best case, articulate in his responses and acted civil and kaine came off as road. jim says, now you see why trump picked mike for vp and lori an
undecided independent said kaine used all the clinton dirty tricks and talking points ad nauseam. and sandy posting, no question at all it was mr. pence, kaine acted like a 5-year-old spoiled brat. keep your comments coming. >> time is 38 after the hour. donald trump versus hillary clinton in the war on terror and the aftermath of 9/11. >> fighting a very different fight. it was a fight to avoid paying taxes, so that he wouldn't support the fight against terror. >> tim kaine slams trump saying he doesn't support our military because he didn't pay taxes? is that fair? our own pete had something to say about that.
in the only vp debate of the campaign cycle, tim kaine attacked donald trump over his taxes, over and over, even going so far as accusing trump of short changing our troops during 9/11. listen. >> governor pence just said that donald trump will rebuild the military. no, he won't. donald trump is avoiding paying taxes. the new york times story suggested that he probably didn't pay taxes for about 18 years starting in 1995. those years included the years of 9/11. hillary clinton went to washington to get funds to rebuild her city and protect first responders, but donald trump was fighting a very different fight. it was a fight to avoid paying taxes, so that he wouldn't support the fight against terror. >> but is that a fair argument? joining us now to discuss, pete. looking at mike pence's face when he's making that comment i think says it all.
>> it really does. that was an absolute political sideswipe with no rational other than donald trump is an evil person because when he lost money, he wrote it off going forward or that's what they presume. and hillary clinton is lauded as someone who goes to washington to get more money. this is an example of where he wanted to use anything to get at the taxes and want to tie it to 9/11. i don't think it is effective at all. >> he tried to tie it to 9/11, tried to tie it to russia, tried to tie it to aleppo, tried to tie it to north korea. here is what pence had to say defending trump. >> first and foremost, donald trump supports our troops. donald trump supports our veterans. >> he won't pay taxes. >> donald trump has paid all the taxes that he's -- do you not take -- >> i'd like to -- >> it is about our troops. >> i understand why you want to change the subject. i understand why you want to
change the subject. >> i was watching this, i thought he's been given some talking points, he was told you have to get that in and so he tried every chance he had. >> i want to ask tim kaine if he's ever voluntarily paid a little bit more because he loves the troops so much or paid more because he loves the vets so much. it is an absurd argument. i think they feel like there is a political vulnerability. so they're going to keep going at it and they'll take -- it is the classic don't answer the question, pivot, don't answer the question, pivot. that approach was not as effective as mike pence who answered questions grounded in reality and national security info anded policy. >> mike pence devastated tim kaine on national security because all tim kaine could say, we got bin laden, the iranian
deal, vladimir putin, and we took troops out of iraq, but that led to isis. what do i say about that? and pence obliterated him on that. you can't run on bin laden, they have done that for many years. the policies of hillary clinton and barack obama led to the rise of isis, which created this massive refugee problem as well which they don't want to vet refugees for. you add it all together and to the average viewer, you can't point back to one or two things that are still not necessarily even positive like the iran deal and say that makes you successful. governor pence says it is time to try something else. >> and can't go back to taxes either. interesting they both have -- you think that the conversation would rise above all of that. >> you would hope so. >> you would hope so. always good to see you. thank you for being with us. >> thank you, pete. >> the time is now about 15 minutes until the top of the hour. and what do kanye west and tim kaine have in common? >> she had a clinton foundation accepting contributions from
donald trump not on the debate stage, but still managing to share the spotlight with his running mate, governor mike pence. >> here with what's going viral from the first and the only vice presidential debate, carlie shimkus. never a dull moment. >> a lot of people thought this would be a borg debate, because it was a vice presidential one,
wasn't the heavy hitters, but it proved to be anything but. on the debate stage, and especially on social media. in large part to donald trump, who spent the evening live tweeting the debate. a majority of what he did was actually retweet messages that he liked the best. and the gem getting the most attention is someone tweeted a message and donald trump retweeted it saying kaine looks like an evil crook out of the batman movies. so donald trump appears to be having a lot of fun online last night. and also, rather mike -- sorry, governor pence also said that people would rather have a you're fired president rather than a you're hired president. donald trump retweeted, i want a you're fired president with people in government who are wasting my tax dollars. and then said mike pence won
big. we should all be proud of mike. >> we're now able to do this. that real time response -- >> what did we used to do? >> isn't that unbelievable. >> speaking of declaring a winner, the gop blog post declared pence the winner before the debate started. >> yeah. this was a pretty big mistake on the part of the gop. they published a blog post that declared pence the winner even before the debate started. and they even highlighted some of pence's top debate moments including the economy and highlighting hillary clinton's scandal. so, of course, that blog post was quickly removed. the good part about that is that a lot of people on social media agreed that mike pence won. however, they had to watch the debate first to decide that. >> got to love it. i love they accidentally sent that out. virginia, the democratic governor mcauliffe caught on camera dancing. and also with the wife of kaine,
right? >> yes, both having a ball last night on stage. they were busting a move during a post debate rally. and you can see this is going viral online. you can see that tim kaine is in the background kind of clapping his hands. he doesn't really look like a hip shaker very much to me, does he to you? >> doesn't compare to kanye west in that respect. >> exactly. reminds me of hillary clinton moment from the previous debate where she did the shimmy shake as well. apparently that's a democratic trend this morning. >> in terms of the interruptions, there is a comparison to kanye. >> a lot of people online were talking about how often tim kaine interrupted last night. our official count -- or unofficial count is that he interrupted pence 39 times and kaine interrupted 39 times and pence 19 times. other people have it up towards 60. so there are a lot of people comparing this moment to kanye
west and interrupting taylor swift's fabulous moment at the vmas. >> we heard of 70. i don't know if that was accurate, but it was a lot of interruptions. >> thank you very much. good to see you. the time is about 53 after the hour. the vice presidential debate off the rails last night. >> i'd like to ask you about syria, governor. >> tax returns when he -- >> raise your taxes -- >> if you can't beat the nixon standard -- >> the people at home cannot understand either one of yo you what happens when a moderator loses control of the candidates. >> donald trump during his campaign called mex cans rapists and criminals. he called women slobs, pigs, dogs, disgusting. i don't like saying that in front of my wife and my mother. >> there was also that. what did the voters think about tim kaine calling out donald trump. we're putting it to the dial
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morning. thank you for joining us. >> thank you for starting your wednesday with us. and this is where we begin. both governor mike pence and senator tim kaine pushing policies and playing defense. >> we trust hillary clinton as president and commander in chief. but the thought of donald trump as commander in chief scares us to death. >> ronald reagan said a nation without borders is not a nation. donald trump is committed to restoring the borders of this nation. >> governor, how would these millions of undocumented -- >> the economy, there is a fundamental choice for the american electorate. do you want a you're hired president in hillary clinton or a you're fired president in donald trump? i think that's not such a hard choice. >> this past administration of which hillary clinton is part, we almost doubled the national debt. it is atrocious. hillary clinton and tim kaine want to build on obamacare. i come from a state that works. i still finished my term with $2 billion in the bank.
that's different than when senator tim kaine was governor here in virginia. >> to beat terrorism, there is one candidate that can do it, that's hillary clinton. she worked to deal with the russians to reduce their chemical weapons stockpile. she worked tough negotiations with nations around the world to eliminate the iranian nuclear weapons program without firing a shot. >> america is less safe today than it was the day that barack obama became president of the united st absolutely inarguable. it has been a combination of factors, but mostly a lack of leadership. >> immigration. two plans on the table. hillary and i believe in comprehensive immigration reform. donald trump believes in deportation nation. you got to pick your choice. >> donald trump laid out a plan that ends illegal immigration once and for all in this country. hillary clinton and tim kaine want to continue the policies that open borders, amnesty, catch and release, sanctuary cities, all the things that are driving -- that are driving wages down in this country.
donald trump has a plan that he laid out in arizona. that will deal systematically with illegal immigration beginning with border security and general immigration. >> donald trump always puts himself first. i can't imagine how he can defend the insult driven donald trump. >> all of the things he said he says and the way he said them he still won't have the fraction of the insults that hillary clinton leveled when she said that half of our supporters were a basket of deplorables. they were not american. >> and here's a live look at long wood virginia. that's where we find the managing editor of washington free beacon aaron maclaine here